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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 14, 2007 5:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

Most overrated? I don't have an opinion about specific versions of anything, but I will mention the detriment a lot of people around here attribute to Donna Jean Godchaux's voice.

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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Feb 14, 2007 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

Donnas shittiness is not overrated. Pigpen was a lot to the band. He brought the whole blues aspect, and kept them, well straight you could say. Without Pig the dead would have done only crazy psychedelic stuff like their acid tests.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 15, 2007 3:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I saw the woman with the band a number of times. It's how I cut my teeth on the Dead, and never once did I walk away from a show thinking, "They would be so much better if only they dumped her." I thought quite the opposite of her, actually. But people constantly rail on her in this forum as if she had stolen their birthright. On the other hand, Jerry hired her to work in his own band after working alongside her in the Dead, and I don't recall reading a surplus of commentary here about his lack of good musical judgement. To talk of her "shittiness" is just plain ugly, and discussions thereof take up way too much space here. She's a nice lady. Stop being so mean and leave her alone.

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Poster: waynecs Date: Feb 15, 2007 5:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

Amen Bryan

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

A lot of wha Donna struggled with was not being able to hear herself while on stage.

I agree that even though there are some cringe-inducing examples of harmonies that just do't sound right on some songs, she doesn't take anything away from the scores of great shows they played during her tenure.

For a far better example of how GOOD she could sound, check out the studio version of "The way you do the things you do" that was included as an outtake from a previous Garcia release--it can be found on the 5-disc Garcia retrospective set that was released a few years back.

Also, as mentioned, some of the Garcia Band shows released on the Pure Jerry label...she sounds especially great on "Stir it Up" from the 1977 JGB show released not long ago.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 15, 2007 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

Boy, I can't wait until we can finally get our All Good Things box out of hock. My wife also had to pawn the Dylan box that day to raise bail money. Horrible story: it was reasonably warm, so I decided to walk to work, and a cop was lying in wait right around the corner to pick me up on a failure to appear warrant that had been issued. I had missed a court date, an appearance scheduled because of a ticket I was given when my dog, Ratdog, got loose and was thrown in the hoosegow. They threw me in the jailhouse, but she did get me out before the sun went down.

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Poster: countmlbjam Date: Feb 15, 2007 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

Overrated year: 85, although I enjoy it a lot.
overrated shows: 12-31-78 & 10-9-89, although if I had been to either one, I doubt I would be writing this now.
overrated song versions: 11-1-79 S>f, but I will go re-listen to it again soon. Things can change after time.
I have to include the dark star from 8-27-72 show. Again, haven't listened to it in a few years.

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Feb 14, 2007 10:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

the reason why is Donna is horrible is because her voice was at her worst in those first couple years, which so happen to best years for the band. I mean think about just how much better those early Playin and Scarlets would be without her. She got better in 77-78 and I actually dont mind her then

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Feb 15, 2007 1:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

donna's voice sounds hot when she sings. Just listen to like... a really early BIODTL, OR GDTRFB.. listen to her voice on 8/27/ 72 (minus that playin' =P)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 15, 2007 2:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

I'm gonna get slammed for this, I know it. But to me, one of the most overrated GD shows--recommended by scores of LMA forum members, and please! I love and respect you all!!!! ;-) so be kind .....

....is MSG 3-9-81

I keep trying to hear what's so great about this oft recommended show, and maybe it's just the fact that it's an AUD and i'm having trouble hearing the great sound, but....well, it's not that it's a BAD show--but the hype surrounding it just doesn't get to me the same as others. Everyone says the ChinaRider is like the best ever and I can point to many many others I like better, esp. from '74 (2/24/74 my fave) and even some others from similar years to '81, like the 11/24/79...dunno, it's in the ear of the beholder, I guess.

Also, that Deer Creek show from '85 w/a Row Jimmy that blows which many people have said is their favorite. Don't get that at all. If it was any more botched lyrically or slowly played it would die in my CD player.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 15, 2007 2:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

Hi Grendel - it does feel a bit odd when you find yourself completely out of step with everyone else. Same thing happened to me with 10/27/79 - no matter how hard I tried I just could not get that show, and yet Dr Flashback rated it one of the top five of the year.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Feb 15, 2007 3:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

Rob, I am just about....................

Oh, shit, I'm too tired for this. Too bad we disagree, but i'm sure there are shows you are particular to that i would not get. Same with everyone here. I get rather upset when people start jumping on folks for liking or not liking certain shows or versions of songs, or how they write a review, or whatever. If you are doing it in jest, that's one thing, but I have read many things here that are most definitely more "agressive" than need be. Rob, I have nothing but the highest respect for you and your input, so we disagree on a show? Big friggin' deal. And do I hold the fact that you are a Scot against you, even though I probably should? Nope. Not yet anyway, the day is young.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 15, 2007 3:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

SDH - I am just about ... too.

If I had addressed the post to you I could (maybe) see your point in getting uppity. However, I was responding to Grendel's post and saying no more than that I had shared his experience of being out of step with everyone else. No more than that. I made no further comment about the Cape Cod show beyond saying 'everyone likes it - I don't'. So, back off, brother.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Feb 15, 2007 3:50am
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Shit, this wasn't a result of anything you wrote, sorry if it came across that way. I was reading some posts on the "Virgin Head" thread that were less than positive regarding a young dudes reviews and it got my blood up. I have never thought that anything you wrote was unduly aggressive.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 15, 2007 3:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

SDH - a friend is someone you know you can bark at now and then without too much of a risk of getting your face rearranged. I consider you a forum friend for sure.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Feb 14, 2007 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: your most over-rated version of anything GD...

You say that like it's a bad thing?

I love Pig, I heard Pig, I thought the Dead would be over when he died... But really, "crazy psychedelic stuff" ??? I know you're young, but...